TiVo HD and Copy Protection

Why do I pay money for this?I am an avid hockey fan, since I was a kid grow­ing up in Buf­falo. I love watch­ing the game, and I espe­cially love watch­ing my home­town team, the Sabres. For the past 2 years, I’ve forked over $150 to sub­scribe to the NHL Center Ice cable pack­age, so that I can watch every game of the season. With our TiVo, I can record each game, and watch it when­ever I have time.

That is, I did, until this season started. We recently upgraded our TiVo unit from an old Direc­TiVo, to the new Series 3 TiVo HD, which appar­ently imple­ments unnat­u­rally strict copy pro­tec­tion on pre­mium con­tent. Because the new unit uti­lizes Cable­Cards, TiVo has dif­fer­ent rules for these TiVos as com­pared to Series 2 units, accord­ing to their sup­port page:

Since the Series3 and TiVo HD are DCR devices, in addi­tion to the Macro­vi­sion rules for analog con­tent, they must also comply with the con­tent pro­tec­tion poli­cies for Dig­i­tal Cable content.

What this means is that NHL Center Ice con­tent is copy pro­tected, and will be deleted within hours of the game’s com­ple­tion. Gone. Irretrievable.

This angers me to no end, as I am a busy person, who is paying a pre­mium price to the NHL, as well as TiVo. The NHL’s pop­u­lar­ity has waned so much here in the States, that I can’t for a minute imag­ine that they are respon­si­ble for this policy.

Some threads on the TiVo sup­port site seem to sug­gest that this is a TiVo mis­take, intro­duced by the Fall 2007 soft­ware update. User forgie716 writes:

After lit­er­ally an hour on the phone with TiVo I got esca­lated to their next level of sup­port and a cus­tomer tech that rec­og­nized the issue I was having and said it was indeed TiVo’s prob­lem as their ser­vice was wrongly tag­ging NHL Center Ice games as restricted pay per view shows and not a sports pack­age which shouldnt [sic] hold the same restric­tions (if any).

David Pogue of the NYTimes posted about this a while back. Let’s hope it’s sorted out fast, or the NHL and TiVo are going to lose another fan – and they both can’t afford to lose any.

UPDATE: Eric McEr­lain of the hockey blog Off Wing received a phone call from some­one claim­ing to be an NHL offi­cial – and they claim that the issue is not at all there doing:

  • The NHL has no policy restrict­ing the use of NHL Center Ice con­tent on TiVo or any other brand of DVRs and it isn’t plan­ning on cre­at­ing one.
  • What’s hap­pen­ing now has noth­ing to do with the NHL. The NHL never requested that its con­tent be copy pro­tected in this way.
  • The league is look­ing into the prob­lem and will be con­tact­ing TiVo shortly in order to find a solution.

So now, I have only TiVo to be mad at.

Nov 2 UPDATE: Eric McEr­lain, who writes for offwing.com, wrote about the prob­lem for sportingnews.com, and was gra­cious enough to ask me for a quote:

Nie­der­meyer told me that thanks to NHL Center Ice, he had only missed “three or four” Sabres games last season. But thanks to TiVo’s dis­ap­pear­ing NHL games, he esti­mated that he had missed as many games this month alone.

“I’m very dis­ap­pointed by this new TiVo, but more so by the DRM (dig­i­tal rights man­age­ment) that seems to get more and more absurd with each pass­ing year,” Nie­der­meyer said. “Here we have a league that is doing all it can to get their prod­uct out there, and their fans end up alien­ated. It’s frustrating.”

And, for the record, I the 11/1 Sabres @ Bruins game started eras­ing itself behind me, as I watched:

TiVo lies

4 Responses to “TiVo HD and Copy Protection”


  • I had Time Warner come back to my house to check the cable cards in my TIVO series 3 HD box as I was able to receive all of the NHL pack­age games for about 6 days & then noth­ing.
    They told me that I should be able to receive the games & they are work­ing on a fix. I can still get the games as I put a spliter on the in coming cable & have a reg­u­lar cable box also hooked up to my TV. You have to change the incom­ing to cable to view the games & also pay for the cable box but you’ll have the best of both worlds. Also have your cable com­pany put a boster on the cable line to keep the signal strong . Time Warner of Staten Island NY did this for me.
    You will also have acess to all of the In Demand ser­vices & pay per view from TIVO & your cable com­pany, all this for an extra 7.00 a month I think it’s worth it.
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  • has this been resolved yet? any head­way?
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  • I just expe­ri­enced this awful prob­lem. We bought a Tivo HD after having a Tivo Series 2 for 3 years. Bought the life­time ser­vice for the HD unit right away. And why shouldn’t we? We have been happy with Tivo for years.

    Until tonight when I tried to record the Red Wings vs Oilers game. I have watched almost every Wings game for 4 years in a row. I went through the pain of deal­ing with Time Warner to install a mul­ti­stream cable card and every­thing works… except for this ridicu­lous copy protection.

    The big prob­lem I have is that the DRM wants to delete the game an hour after it has fin­ished live airing. This is unac­cept­able!! I rarely watch the games live because I have a very busy sched­ule. If I cannot save the games until the next day, or a few days later, I will not be watching… and I will no longer be a Tivo subscriber.

    Tivo is get­ting a phone call tomor­row from a very unhappy cus­tomer that just gave them $300 of hard earned money.
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  • Yea, it totally sucks Matthew. One bright spot this year, is that Center Ice is now repeat­ing games all night after they first air. So, you can stay up till 2am to watch your Wings. ;-)
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